Normally I wouldn't post this but I think it has a good chance of being real. A week or so ago the producer of Legends dropped some silly hints of a new game and to "have faith". (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/09/18/hideki-kamiya-teases-mega-man-legends/)
Today an "inside source" told Mega Man sites they are indeed doing a new game. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/09/21/more-ruminating-with-mega-man-legends/) Now normally I'd call bullshit... but this is the same guy that leaked about Mega Man 9, down to the letter.
Personally I don't give a flying fuck, but if anything it's probably a reboot given how Legends 2 ended on a cliffhanger a decade ago, be a bit hard to sell to new fans. Or it'd be a downloadable title so as to make a bit more profit... but a retail release continuation... yeah I don't see that happening.
Given pretty much installment in the Mega Man series lately has been download-only, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. An entire disc would be kind of overkill.
Not to mention two different characters from the series getting represented in recent games would naturally generate interest.
Well there were several characters way back in Namco X Capcom, Capcom's been stringing along the Legends fanbase with a carrot for years now. It's kind of funny really.
Just more cryptic fan teasing like normal. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/09/28/keiji-inafune-vows-to-make-that-game/)
This is official, for the Nintendo 3DS. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/jgonzo/blog/2010/09/28/mega_man_legends_3_project_announced_for_the_nintendo_3ds)
More information to be given at next months Comic Con.
Oh by the way the 3DS will retail for 300 USD. That's more than a Wii before the price drop.
It's $300 in Japan (which always has higher prices) so it might be $250 in the US.
Ho-ly shit.
Capcom is holding a poll to decide the final design of one of the characters. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/mikeeb13/blog/2010/10/10/vote_for_your_favorite_design_in_the_mega_man_legends_3_heroine_contest!) Most of the options are awful.
Voting for Ryuji seeing as video games need more brown girls. Even though for some reason she isn't on the poll at this time.
She isn't? Racists. I wanted to vote for her.
Yeah they fucked the poll up something bad. The spot shes supposed to be in is taken by Haruki. Do these people even check their post?
This game isn't being canceled due to Infaune's resignation just so you know. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/10/29/mega-man-projects-still-carrying-on/) Neither is Mega Man Universe.
Lost in all of the news of said resignation the design for the new character was chosen. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/10/29/here-is-your-mega-man-legends-3-heroine-komaki/)
Capcom is now apparently hesitant to even officially green light the game. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/03/capcom-talks-mega-man-legends-3.html) Guess that bit about Inafune leaving not effecting the development was a flat out lie.
I personally find this development fucking hilarious.
lal
"Demo" launching with the 3DS store, featuring a new character to show off the engine. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/21/mega-man-legends-3-prototype-version-launching-with-3ds-eshop/) Also some actual footage of the game proving it actually exists.
Still looks like the same boring dungeon crawler the series was a decade ago to me but that is what the people want I guess.
I never played any of the games, but I like dungeon crawlers so I might try this shit out
...when i get a 3ds
If the Legends 3 "demo" does yield considerable returns, it is likely Legends 3 will be canceled. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/22/mega-man-legends-3-prototype-version-response-will-determine-fat/)
I cannot blame Capcom for this decision, they've always lost money on the series and without Inafune around to argue for it the devs working on it from Capcom's perspective are basically asking them to throw money away. Still a dick move though.
Anyways the "demo" will retail for about two dollars.
Well if this game does get canceled, I will be convinced that Capcom is getting off to Megaman fans getting fucked in the ass
In fact, with the announcement that Ace Attorney game won't make it to the states, they may as well be fucking ALL of their fans in the ass
If you want to measure hype, why have them pay for a demo? It doesn't work like that, Capcom. I thought you knew this.
I think they want to measure hype by actual consumer interest in buying a product.
I.E. If nobody buys it, then nobody wants it.
But this case is particularly toxic. Legends 3 is a sequel, to a formerly dead sub-franchise, which wasn't the most popular thing Mega Man that seemed to have flopped overseas. It's a game for the fans... But there don't seem to be that many fans to begin with.
To top it off, Capcom's barely advertised the fact it exists. Pretty much the only advertisement it's gotten is either at the big fansites which often take stuff from Capcom Unity's releases, or the Rockman DASH 3 dev blog... If they want it to succeed, they'll need to advertise.
And even then, not everybody who wants a 3DS has one yet. Either because they can't afford it, or they're just waiting for more games to come out before they buy. THe game I see most 3DS owners and owners-to-be talking about is Ocarina of Time 3D, not Legends 3.
Universe gets cancelled, and then Capcom openly confirms to me that Legends 3 is likely looking to be cancelled under what I estimate are the same circumstances.
Universe and Legends 3 were both Inafune's big pet projects, especially the latter after years of begging and throwing in Legends cameos wherever he could to make the series look more popular. So yeah I can't be surprised if Capcom is trying to sweep it under the rug now. Especially since as I've pointed out before these games have never really sold well, the Legends fan base is just VERY vocal about it.
Sort of like Western Earthbound fan base, very vocal about something (Mother 3 never getting an official western release) but in the grand scheme of things are relatively insignificant.
As for payments for demos, that apparently has become a thing these days Square Enix has done it and so did Capcom for Dead Rising 2. The flimsy justification for those, and the Legends 3 "demo", is it is a side story. The Legends 3 "demo" is a prologue, hence why it stars another character because Trigger is still playing go fish with Yuna and Sera on the moon during it. In the future I expect most demos are going to be like this.
Makes sense, but if there were a demo of KH2 where I played as Roxas and had to do the jobs to get the money to buy the ticket to get on the dope-ass Disney train... I dunno.
The other side to that argument is it would mean that part would have never been in KH2.
Demo to release June 6th. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/05/rockman-dash-3-prologue-version-in-june.html)
QuoteSorry, the page you were looking for in the blog Rockman Corner does not exist.
:ken:
For some odd reason he deleted that article and reposted it. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/05/legends-3-prototype-version-in-june.html)
Capcom of America is not approving Mega Man Legends for PSN citing it would be too difficult due to complicated legal issues such as rights issues over the voice acting never having been approved for digital release. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/05/20/its-the-end-of-the-world/) Said issues likely apply to the second game as well.
Of course this would require PSN to WORK so hey.
In addition Capcom decided the Legends 3 demo was of such low quality they delayed it to improve it. Yes Capcom actually decided something was of bad enough quality to not release it and work on it some more. That smells of desperation from the Legends 3 dev team knowing this is there only shot.
PSN's back up but Sony's had too many fuckups lately.
And yeah, I wouldn't place too much hope in this anymore.
Even if Capcom does let them go forward with it there's a very real chance (especially with the aforementioned Ace Attorney example) Capcom will decide that localizing it isn't worth the effort.
Welp. (http://mynintendonews.com/2011/05/23/nintendo-capcom-announces-that-its-going-to-cut-nintendo-3ds-and-nintendo-wii-support/) haha has nothing to do with 3DS disregard this they suck cocks
Even so that's just a reduction according to their original source, mynintendonews didn't report it correctly.
Demo details from Nintendo Power. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-mega-man-legends-3-details-from.html)
QuoteMovement is mapped to the Circle Pad while shooting is carried out with the R shoulder button.
Given how easily my R button on my DSLite crapped out, I expect the 3DS to do the same and fuck that.
and if that's barret's design, then he is sora with goggles and I will once again point you back to the dope-ass disney train
After that delay for quality control purposes it was hinted at that a demo (of the demo) would be playable at E3. That didn't happen. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/06/11/looking-at-mml3s-absence-from-e3/)
So add another point to the "Capcom is trying to sweep this under the rug" theory.
Edit: As for Barret's design it's less Sora with goggles than it is Barrel but younger. The plot also says Barrel has gone missing, gee I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.
MML3 will fail if it doesn't get advertising. Capcom's being incredibly stupid about how they're handling it. Street Fighter 4? That got advertising. Marvel vs. Capcom 3? That obviously got advertising. They didn't push either of those games out the door without so much as a peep to gaming magazines.
How about Megaman's most successful entry into the US thus far? The Battle Network series did extremely well, to the point we even got the japan-only anime dubbed. They even had BN action figures on Wal-Mart, where you NEVER see Megaman!
There is a market, Capcom's just too stupid to realize it.
Now I see the real reason Inafune left.
Merchandising. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvmZ9SPcTzU)
The Battle Network franchise was years ago before the apparent franchise wide decline comparing advertising then to advertising now isn't exactly a fair thing to do.
As someone who wasn't terribly tied like a knot with the Megaman series, if it weren't for Tips & Tricks having a Megaman X5 guide, I would've never known the series made it past 6.
That's how well it was advertised.
To be fair X6 and X7 are both horrible games, and after that I could see Capcom not figuring X8 was worth advertising.
Mega Man Legends 3 removed from Capcom of Japan's main page (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/07/dash-3-vanishes-from-coj-front-page/). Last time they did this it was to Mega Man Universe and it got canceled a week or so later.
Having said that the people making the game are still doing their bullshit design contests for it. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/05/the-bright-bats-chose-tinker-as-their-mascot/) So who knows.
I don't think there are many fans who would be legitimately surprised at this being cancelled.
Then that leaves Rockman Online as the only thing Mega Man being made, and Capcom probably won't bring it over anywhere, not even Japan since they're dealing with a Korean publisher, who notably strong-arm games into obeying their business whims.
Capcom basically doesn't care about the Korean MMO, it's about as official to them as the PC Mega Man games.
As for people being surprised by it? Read the comments on that article, a lot of people are in total denial of the possibility of a cancellation...
Although can something really be canceled if it was never green lighted to begin with?
A week and a half later Capcom has yet to release an official comment (barring one dudes Twitter that's so low on the chain of command he can be ignored) about taking down the link to the Legends 3 website.
This has led the fan base to panic and form a letter writing campaign headed by three separate Mega Man websites. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/18/the-rally-for-mml3-begin-the-mail-campaign/)
Shame no one told them these types of petitions DON'T WORK. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/29/nintendo-no-plans-to-localize-xenoblade-last-story-or-pando/)
This is Capcom, though, not Nintendo.
At the very least, Capcom cares about it's fans that they'll at least try to exploit them for money. Nintendo doesn't even give their fans the chance to mindlessly throw dosh at them.
I know. I said "dosh". Deal with it.
I really don't think the difference between how much the two companies care about their fans is that big.
That said petitions in general don't work very often as there is really no telling if the numbers the company ends up seeing are accurate because of more "eccentric" fans sending in multiple petitions, some times in great quantities.
Not like a petition would do them any good anyway (http://www.capcom-unity.com/devroom/blog/2011/07/18/a_message_from_capcom).
That's it. There is absolutely nothing going for us Mega Man fans.
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I'm not surprised
At all
With MMU cancelled, Mega Man not being in MvC3, and now THIS, it's pretty safe to say that Capcom no longer gives a shit about Mega Man fans
Pretty sure this is retribution against Inafune leaving Capcom.
So that leaves that Archie Mega Man comic... and that's about it.
The final kicker to the Legends 3 cancellation I guess is the fact the 3DS isn't doing as well as forecast. All the other things, Inafune leaving, the bad sales records, and the fact I'm sure they had metrics on the devroom and they probably weren't up to what they wanted led to this.
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(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8654/deathofmegaman.jpg)
This is the second time I can recall that Nintendo was involved in a production that got cancelled after fan input.
The first was when Nintendo Power ran a contest where the winner got flown to Hollywood to get a cameo in The Mask 2.
The only Nintendo Power contest I remember was the issue wide Where's Waldo type contest with a bunch of colored Game Boys. I specifically remember them photoshopping one over a screen shot of a car in a racing game. That has nothing to do with the thread however.
What does is the fact that my offhand comment about Capcom being a bit worried about the 3DS not selling well may have some merit as quite a few companies are canceling 3DS projects. (http://corrupt, adulterating shitbags.com/5822519/whats-with-all-the-cancelled-3ds-games) One was even delayed specifically because the company doesn't think the 3DS is going to do well (which is something you generally don't say).
the only thing that could make that picture more complete is if you had X Series Zero standing on top of the fire laughing, flipping off everyone down below.
What JZ said, except with Flame Hyenard wearing a business suit with a little "Capcom Executive Management" tag.
Inafune apologizes for the cancellation, (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/keiji-inafune-issues-apology-for-mega.html) despite not working for Capcom anymore.
Having been yelled at for over a day, Capcom now says it's the fanbase's fault for not caring enough. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/20/capcom-europe-its-a-shame-the-fans-didnt-want-to-get-more-involved/)
LOL what a bunch of dicks.
Quote from: UHMEEEEBA on July 20, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
Having been yelled at for over a day, Capcom now says it's the fanbase's fault for not caring enough. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/20/capcom-europe-its-a-shame-the-fans-didnt-want-to-get-more-involved/)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Mirror.jpg)
If The Mega Man Network's twitter account is to be believed (http://twitter.com/#!/themmnetwork) Capcom are kicking people out of Comic Con for even mentioning Mega Man at their booth, anyone wearing Mega Man merchandise or anyone cosplaying a Mega Man character.
Quote from: Brandy Bogard on July 20, 2011, 06:12:51 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Mirror.jpg
I don't get it. :-\
Quote from: UHMEEEEBA on July 21, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
If The Mega Man Network's twitter account is to be believed (http://twitter.com/#!/themmnetwork) Capcom are kicking people out of Comic Con for even mentioning Mega Man at their booth, anyone wearing Mega Man merchandise or anyone cosplaying a Mega Man character.
That's a little hard to believe.
I never played 2, but I was looking forward to this one. :(
SO, anybody still want to buy Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3?
Quote from: Fox McCloud on July 21, 2011, 12:49:21 PM
SO, anybody still want to buy Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3?
Yes!
ROCKET FUCKING RACCOON!
FRANK FUCKING WEST! (hopefully not the TvC VA, as the original voice actor came back for Case West and Off the Record)
PHOENIX FUCKING WRIGHT!
Quote from: UHMEEEEBA on July 21, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
If The Mega Man Network's twitter account is to be believed (http://twitter.com/#!/themmnetwork) Capcom are kicking people out of Comic Con for even mentioning Mega Man at their booth, anyone wearing Mega Man merchandise or anyone cosplaying a Mega Man character.
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/pasxW.jpg
4chan seems to confirm it.
I just can't believe it. It's too ridiculous.
In addition the comments on Protodude's blog says it came up in the livechat multiple times. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/rumor-capcom-removing-mega-man-fans.html)
Given the past two days has been Capcom systematically upturning the Mega Man franchise I don't doubt this.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they yanked the comic license from Archie at the earliest time they legally could.
Quote from: UHMEEEEBA on July 21, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
In addition the comments on Protodude's blog says it came up in the livechat multiple times. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/rumor-capcom-removing-mega-man-fans.html)
Given the past two days has been Capcom systematically upturning the Mega Man franchise I don't doubt this.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they yanked the comic license from Archie at the earliest time they legally could.
...why? Why would they do this? I mean they probably canceled MML3 because they didn't think it was financially viable (which sucks, but is still a valid reason, IMO), but this... this doesn't make any sense.
Because they can.
http://twitter.com/#!/videogame554/status/94085605817991168
http://twitter.com/#!/t_Banzai/status/94114130847473664
damn twitter links won't work, copy and paste. Seth got punched in the face.
The Mega Man Network on their twitter has confirmed that any and all Mega Man discussion is banned in SDCC's UStream.
Capcom insists the cosplayer bit is false. (http://twitter.com/#!/Capcom_Unity/status/94115858040881152) No denial of any of the other charges.
Capcom also says that Seth never got punched out. (http://twitter.com/#!/Capcom_Unity/status/94126189752500224)
Regardless this is becoming a PR nightmare, and the Seth rumor although false isn't painting a bright portrait of the fanbase.
Quote from: Jesuszilla on July 21, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Seth got punched in the face.
...
what a dick move
Seriously why would you do that? He's just doing his job.
Hey thanks for not reading my post where I said that was a rumor and false.
Damn it, I was really hoping that was true too.
Quote from: UHMEEEEBA on July 21, 2011, 02:57:55 PM
Hey thanks for not reading my post where I said that was a rumor and false.
I saw it (but didn't click it); I just assumed Capcom was gonna deny that no matter what actually happened.
Since the cancellation there have been numerous internet petitions and what not to get it uncanceled. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/legends3com-is-your-gateway-to.html) It really amazes me people are in this much denial that they think these sort of things work, especially when people admit upfront they're stacking the votes with multiple entries.
It doesn't matter though, on August 19th the Japanese Dev Room is shutting down forever. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/08/clearing-up-august-19-misconceptions.html) It is likely the American one will soon follow but supposedly will keep limited forum functionality.
Also of note the programming director for Legends 3 put a tweet out encouraging the fans only to subsequently deleted his entire Twitter account. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/mega-man-legends-3-programming-director.html)
Case in point. (http://corrupt, adulterating shitbags.com/5826723/capcom-quashes-hopes-of-mega-man-legends-3s-return)
Did Capcom USA even have anything to do with cancelling MML3? If not, then why are they crying to them?
Because right now the average Legends fan has devolved into a whiny obnoxious brat taking out their rage on wherever they have an audience.
Also they're so far in denial it honestly isn't funny (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/08/01/capcom-responds-to-mml3-rallying-efforts-thus-far/). Like come on guys move the fuck on it sucks but you can't spend everyday kicking and screaming about it.
Well when you consider what Mega Man's target audience is intended to be...
Given the Legends games came out ten years ago I doubt most of the people throwing a hissy fit are in that target range.
BRB gonna petition another Chrono Trigger game and see what square enix does
Oh if we're on examples of other petitions not working for shit now, EB Siege is a good one. (http://starmen.net/ebsiege/)
Especially since they gave up and translated the game themselves years ago but still keep the page up for some mysterious reason (I suspect the donations tab has something to do with it).
I should make a petition to keep Legends 3 dead just so they can say there was one successful online petition, and that will cause them to foolishly still have hope as they believe that Capcom has started listening to petitions.
(http://oi56.tinypic.com/207upf7.jpg)
Lol GeoffTheHero
Well while this is bumped I'll take the time to post something I find funny, Sven said he got everyone's letters about MML3 and he "promises" to read them. Why is this funny? Because the picture of the letters in shows them in front of several toaster ovens and microwaves. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/08/capcom-got-your-letters.html)
Also Heat Man went insane and rambled incoherently forever and a day. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/08/14/editorial-mega-man-must-reach-for-a-new-paradigm/)
The Mega Man fanbase really, really scares me.
It was fine but then the Legends fans had to go on a tirade after Legends 3 got everything fucked up and it makes the whole lot look bad in comparison and turned the individual fan bases against each other.
In other news the reason Capcom was going to charge two dollars for that "demo" was that is the minimum price of something on the 3DS shop. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/08/16/why-was-capcom-going-to-charge-for-the-mega-man-legends-3-prototype-version/) Naturally the same people that complained about the price then are now saying they were never against it. Ugh.
Legends 3 Prototype was essentially finished (http://www.gamesradar.com/exclusive-only-journalist-ever-play-mega-man-legends-3/?page=1).
With only one man's opinion that's debatable how complete it was. Not to mention he played it before Capcom decided to delay it for those vague reasons about it not being a good enough. Only thing I can think is they found some sort of crippling bug, but that's just a guess.
If you thought Capcom had the benefit of the doubt, I mourn the loss of that benefit (http://www.gameblurb.net/news/capcom-refused-to-let-keiji-inafune-to-complete-mega-man-legends-3/).
The article in question they're referring to is a few months old, before the game was canned. How people decided to ignore it (and not report it on Mega Man news sites) and continue on as if everything were fine is beyond me.
Protodude and TMMN refuse to air that story just because they think it's old.
Since that old article got a lot of circulation after Gameblurb dug it up, Inafune issued some new comments (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/09/additional-legends-3-comments-from.html). Also he implicitly stated no one in Capcom has the balls to make risky games anymore.
Wonder why Legends 3 is such a touchy subject at Capcom that people would be scared to argue the idea with the higher-ups again...
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Quote from: Jesuszilla on September 22, 2011, 03:10:40 AM
Wonder why Legends 3 is such a touchy subject at Capcom that people would be scared to argue the idea with the higher-ups again...
It's because the games sold like shit but over the years Inafune has thrown enough Legends cameos everywhere, and that the Legends fanbase is so obnoxious people think it has a large fanbase.
On that stupid facebook campaign they started almost two months ago for 100,000 likes they got like 40,000 the first few weeks but since then only got about 6,000. This is the way the fanbase has picked to show their support, they've only got 46 % after two months and they still fail to realize they aren't as big as they think they are just
loud.
Neon: Yeah so far I've noticed that. Still, I think Legends deserves at least an old budget.
Or if the fans are truly dedicated and are that determined to bring it to life, maybe they'll be offering themselves for free help or some shit, IDK. Seems like the crazy crap they'd do.
T-Reich: Wow. I have never seen such nerdy, losery, nerdiness as that in my entire life. When he was born, that would be the last time he ever saw female genitalia.
Not Legends related, but Capcom (of Canada at least) is so utterly uninterested with Mega Man they cancelled a simple virtually no cost to produce compilation release of the PSP games. (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2011/10/mega-man-dual-pack-canceled-in-canada.html)
... Dude this is sad. What are they doing to Mega Man?
Inafune still wants to make Legends 3. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/10/13/legends-at-nycc-legends-for-charity-legends-from-japan-and-inafune-talks-about-legends-3-too/)
Also when he asked what game he wouldn't want to make a sequel to his answer was Battle Network 7 as the story is over in his mind. I'm just bringing that up cause there are still a lot of Battle Network fans that want that for some insane reason.
No really he does. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/20/inafune-cheers-on-mega-man-legends-3-fan-campaign/)
He then goes on to insult Capcom. Not the best way to make your case.
No, that was Joystiq's personal add-on. All he's saying is "don't give up, we'll get it."
Doesn't change the fact he's been talking trash about Capcom non-stop since he left and now he wants to come back to finish a game.